Actually CB, the owner of any copyrighted or trademarked item can insist upon its removal from any use to which they haven't given license or permission - and that includes non-profit fan material. If LucasFilm or DC Comics wanted fan material (such as the various figures made and exchanged for free by Poser users) removed from the web, they could get their way - legally. As you indicated, they tend to only put their stamping boots on when money starts to change hands. Paramount instituted a major pruning of Star-Trek websites; anything that was for profit went, as did anything that directly diluted the profitability of their own commercial activities. The myriad of 'regular' fan sites were largely untouched. This 'stamp on commercialism only' approach is based on their own generosity with their intellectual property, not on any rights of individuals to exchange that property in a non-profit way. If they don't want you to 'mess with their stuff', they can stop you. There was a notorious case where Disney insisted (via legal threats) that a mural depicting their characters be removed from a school wall - the kids themselves did the painting. It was their right to insist, but of course the negative publicity it generated wasn't helpful to them. I believe Warner stepped in and gave permission for the kids to paint their trademarked characters, and paid for the paint too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TRUE, BUT that also puts the other party on the defensive, which prompts a feud instead of a discussion... As we can see here... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< To which I must use the time-honoured response of 'he started it!' ;-) If you read the thread, you'll notice I only waded in after an audacious post, almost completely lacking in remorse, humility or grace, was made in response to Kozaburo's warning. The arrogance of that annoyed me, especially given the nature of Kozaburo's enduring generosity and politeness to this community. I wanted to see if Scharmers would actually say 'sorry' to Kozaburo, and so started pressing buttons. Beyond that, my involvement has been strictly for fun. I suspect the same might be true for Scharmers. This thread is well and truly buried in the usual Renderosity forum deposition process; hardly anybody is watching, so no-one is inconvenienced except those who can be bothered to dig this deep.