Ah. Thanks MarkHirst, You got it. I've had trouble with shadows before and I think it's Bryce's ambiguous naming of that "sun/moon shadows" that always throws me. It would be better if it was called "Global shadows" Or even just "all shadows". Trouble is I don't often play with shadows - them being so render intensive, I usually just leave it on default. I just tried it with old baldy Victoria and it even worked with her. Thanks Mark. Fran

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