Thank you for the permissions Freebass. He tells me he used to play guitar and I know he likes hot cars, hot Hogs and hot women. You need to render a girl with a Les Paul strapped to the back of her bike. I have a 1978 Les Paul Custom, black w/ white trim, and it was the first year they offered the silver hardware option! Wish I could get my dobro rendered. It has a maple pattern on its top that makes it pretty enough for furniture. Thanks Acadia I think I WILL send him "Sorrow". Much obliged. markk he is just a regular guy. A few weeks older than I am so he is 41. Sort of classic Rock and Roll with Black Sabbath being his favourite. It follows that his choices in art are often dark, gothic themed. He is a big fan of fantasy art and artists and can rattle the names off of a half dozen of them at the drop of a hat. He does some figure work too. I had sent him printouts of wallpapers I had that I actually think were done in whatever version of Bryce was out at the time. That seemed to open his head up a little when he saw nighttime scenes with ufos and pyramids with glowing glyphs on them! But mostly he likes the dragon, warrior, warrioress, skeleton sort of thing. But I try and send him a variety of media to study as the prison is SUPPOSED to do inter-library loans but he cannot find any books of artwork. Go figure. Thanks all so far that have replied or given their permission. Since this thread has fallen off the front page tell your Poser 5 friends if you would. I am sort of surprised that more folks didn't reply but maybe they think its better that someone in jail has no joy than trying to help him. I dunno. Again thanks! Cheers, RWB64