that took 3 hours? sorry dude, but it's really not worth it just for some ambience levels. no one is idiotic enough to have that high of settings for a render in bryce. you made that in 3 hours because there's very little in the scene. try your famous pro-render on a complex scene, with textures that are more than grayscale or whatever. show some bump, some reflectivity and whatever else. i know you're never going to show the material settings, a screenshot of bryce with the scene in it, etc. but i'm just saying. if you want to put this to rest once and for all, you'd better actually come with more than hot air and a scene at max rpp and true ambience. thanks, drac