"There is no reason to call someone's product description horse shit. " Sure there is. If his GND relies on DAZ' V3 character, shouldn't he show a tad more gratitude, as opposed to being outright insulting towards it? I mean, no V3, no GMD. Right? I'm sure there are many people who will gladly stick up for him in this argument, but it seems undeniable the guy is biting the hand which feeds him by making such a statement. Is that OK? "How would you describe the default V3 body?" It's pretty damn good, really. Can you model something of that quality yourself? And make it usable in Poser while you're at it? If so, then never mind this. Anybody else who has a problem with me having a problem with people insulting DAZ' creations, all I can say is, talk to the hand.