quote: . . . but for all the time they take, figures only cover their own costs. You make your living on the support stuff. ah. that makes sense. which explains why sixus1 is still in business and why they did choose the route of giving away base figures. and that would mean WW and CC and Tailor might make things more difficult instead of less. i wish i could say, "making venus would be a sure bet." hmmmm. trying to think mercenary.... well, here's a good bet at least: sell a base that meets your standards (i'm sure that will meet most community standards), but looks a bit younger than v3 in default. even include some basic morphs, and make her "anatomically correct". low-ball her price (i'd say $30 to $40 is the community comfort limit, but what do i know). then sell 3 "real breast packs" as addons- breasts at different sizes and shapes, unclothed motion morphs, and breasts deformation morphs (pushing up out of corsets, pushing through fingers, etc.). then make a "real girl" hip morph pack for her that costs twice as much as each breast pack. and finally, do a "modern goddess" line: 1 runway model, 1 pinup girl, 1 fantasy art girl, 1 hip-hop video girl, etc., each with accompanying 2 to 3 piece clothing set and texture. if you can, have posermatic and blackhearted each do a character for her. i'm betting she'd sell like hotcakes (evil grin). now mind you, this isn't actually what i'm interested in. i'd prefer she gain weight as well as apollo, have great ethnicity morphs, and basically be as real as possible. but, as i've stated, my opinion and popular opinion often run counter to each other. and, um, no, i don't hold apollo to higher standards. if he had the definition and detail of any of the version 2 crew, i would have gotten him. period. and i'd say half of the complaints in your list basically come down to that- not enough detail, in bones or muscles, and no hard angles. penis too small???? yeah, as a woman, i'd have to say, there's no guy at regular temp and flacid that looks very, um, imposing or impressive. well, at least, i've never seen him. i'd say apollo's kinda large if that's his totally non-aroused, regular state. as for ugly, i don't believe i've seen that before. the last thing i'd say apollo is is ugly. again, i'd say since apollo has emerged there has been at least as much criticism of v3. too tall, too big, pin head, gumby arms, too fat, bubble butt, shapeless, too skinny, not real enough, can't do ethnic morphs, unnatural expressions, etc. m3, well, i've heard people say they use him but no real advocates for him. and his complaints seem to get reiterated less just because they're so obvious. tons of people have had good things to say about apollo, and loudly. pitklad- there are tons of free unimesh textures. mainly for v3, but they're out there. vali, a merchant has a few in freestuff. neomea has several, as does (or did) ecstasy (i found an archive of his stuff the other day but haven't been able to re-find it since). and that's just off the top of my head. not too many for the guys, admittedly.