"in that same thread-- confessed to OWNING bryce 4!" For that matter, I bought Bryce 4 at about the SAME time as Vue 3! Guess which one has been collecting more Virtual-dust? ;) ...... "it DOES say that 'convert between file formats' is extra! d'oh!" EXTRA?! Yeah, I'd say--- exactly $160.00 extra! "Doh", is right!