At the risk of stirring things up even more, I will say that I am glad Lyne is happy. I don't own all those plants but I have bought some from Cornucopia and the ones I have seem fine. Sure, Cornucopia is not perfect and had more than its share of teething troubles. So have some of the products - I hd to laugh at the ships with the wooden planks in the hull running vertically rather than horizontally! But the people running it seem to me to be doing their best to make it work, and are very courteous and helpful to their customers (sometimes in the face of considerable provocation). Yes, Vue has its problems too - and I was cursing it often enough at the weekend when it kept failing to save a scene of mine - but hey, for me it's a hobby. My livelihood doesn't depend on it. I don't know what 'clique' is being referred to, although I'm not part of it. All I know is that there are some very knowledgeable people here who are generally extremely helpful. Long may that continue (and Lyne, keep posting happy messages!). Steve

Steve