I should have expected that kind of reaction. I will try to address most of the points raised. My apologies in advance if the reply seems a little all over the place. There was a lot to asnwer. I locked Lyne's thread for many reasons. The main one being that the thread had deviated too far from the original post. If you want a formal comparison between Carrara and Vue, you are welcome to open a new thread on that subject alone, os that I can add a link to it from the Backroom pages. We have other threads like that about Bryce... this is no different. I received several IMs from people who were leaving the forum because of the constant arguments about Vue and e-on's flaws. Looking at how quiet the forum has been in the past few weeks, they have not returned. I just can't let thread degenerate into that kind of discussion. Other forums at renderosity would have done just the same. Purplecloud - Your only contribution to this forum has been to pop in once in a while and only to repeat the same statements about e-on's support, issues with the bonny clump and star shaped network (I know someone who has been repeatedly banned for doing thesame by the way). I hardly consider that mature discussions. If you want to learn more about Carrara, I will be happy to direct your questions to the Carrara forum where, I am sure, a lot of people will be happy to show you why theylike Carrara. About free speech Not everyone has understood the concepts of Free speech on a forum. Look at the forum FAQ about that one. Free speech doesn't apply the same way on a privately held forum. This is why we have a Terms of Services for example. If you want absolute free speech, you are free to open your own forum where your own rules will apply. Note that I left Lyne's thread open for a while. I even left it in place after locking it, instead of simply deleting the whole thing. If it was a matter of corporate software marketing, the thread would have dissapeared at the first post about Carrara. As for myself I personally could not care less if everybody likes me or not. I have learned a long time ago that it is just not possible to please everybody. I didn't volunteer for this job to be popular either. What I care about is to see the forum florish as a place where people can learn and help each other to use Vue. About Vue and e-on's problems. Vue has several flaws. This is not a newsflash. Carrara does too. And so does 3D Studio... so what. e-on doesn't advertise limitations of their software. They want to present it in a good light so that people buy it. So does Eovia... or Autodesk. Once again nothing new with that. And once again there isn't much we can do without access to their code, or without a direct input into their business practices. Unfortunately, I don't have a view to either. I don't even know how many developers they have ! :) LCBoliou you want formal challenges of creative competition ? we have a monthly challenge and two open workshops at the moment. I would be glad to see your contributions (I am a 'he' by the way). If you meant a challenge of creative competition to compare both software, I can arrange that. I have tried many times to run benchmarks between Carrara and Vue, only to find how difficult it is to really compare two rendering engines based on different techniques. To get some neutral ground, here is my suggestion : create a picture, in Vue or Carrara (or anything else for what I care), that will match this photograph as closely as possible (The photo is from the Pink Lake, near Dakar, Senegal). Post your replies in this thread. I may even take a shot at it if I have time.

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