"AestheticDemon on 12/1/05 11:39 Erm, if you use the 'render settings' option on the main menu, and go to the second page 'advanced settings' you can set studio to use the 3Delight Raytracer instead of opengl..." Thanks very much for that, it might help.... Did that, it DID help. No more crash... now I have new questions... (big grin) "9. Re: Daz Collapsing - Help? by MorriganShadow on 12/1/05 14:07 Attached Link: DAZ|Studio PDF Manual I'm going to be honest and blunt with you here. My suggestion would be to just shelf the render you're working on and really pore over the DAZ|Studio Manual." Oh I shelved the render when it wouldn't work... the file is still sitting there saved as it was before addition of the light, so I can go back to it at any time if I ever figure out what the problem actually IS, but I think I'll probably have to start the whole thing over again from scratch. Which I'm putting off, because it's such a big job... It's a pity you can't get models frm Bryce into Daz, cos I've a bryce file with the same things in it as this, already sitting there with two figures in it, but when I tried it all I got was 1 of the figures... (blows raspberry at Daz) But as for pooring over the manual I'm not ready for death yet. gg A manual would be a help if you knew what you were looking for, but I don't. "But, there are things that you need to do in order to make it work properly. Open GL doesn't handle shadows well if your video card or video chip isn't high-quality." This machine was bought specifically to be high quality and specifically for rendering graphics. If someone who knows how to, could just give me specific instructions on where to look for the information I'm sure I could show you all just exactly what my graphics card IS and the driver... wherever that may be. Is it somewhere in "Control Panel/System"??? I've got a feeling it might be but I've already looked in there and I can't tell, nor do I know where else to look after you've opened "System". "Most times, Open GL doesn't handle shadows at all." As it didnt render at all, it didnt get far enough for me to tell if shadows are visible or not. "The reason I'm suggesting to read the manual is, rather than reinvent the wheel here, DAZ has compiled a great manual on, basically, what different parts of the programs do, and actually explains somewhat what you can do with them. I know you've been struggling for a while with D|S, and I'm very glad you haven't given up. And, you will too, once you get the hang of it. No program is easy. It took me a couple months to figure it out, myself. Heck, I'm still trying to figure it out. I'd rather you not pull your hair out over this render if there is a setting you can change or some tips in the manual that would take 2 or 3 seconds to change. My advice?" Yes, but I'll bet there isnt a section or even a mention of "crash - lights caused by". "always keep your render settings on 3Delight." Yes, well I followed AestheticDemon's nice simple instructions for that. And it solved the crashing problem. "10. Re: Daz Collapsing - Help? by mumbocat on 12/2/05 00:43 What is your video and system memory? Sounds like some kind of page fault." Dunno, and I dunno how to find out either. "Certain lighting will call for much larger memory stacks than others." What even after I'd removed the light? "I agree with Morrigan, going over the video settings may help a lot. Reducing number of passes per light, bucket size, and ray trace depth, can reduce the number of calculations the program has to do and therefore reduce processor and memory usage." "11. Re: Daz Collapsing - Help? by archdruid on 12/2/05 01:36 Sorry Fran, sometimes I get too technical... the point of what I was saying is that, In most cases, if a program tries to use (allocate) too much RAM, or too much pagefile space, (Hard drive space that is a temporary slot for information... graphics, calculations...that sort of thing), Windows will do exactly what you got. the biggest problem with the runtime error from windows is that they don't explain what the problem IS. The reason everyone's saying "check your open GL settings" is that Open GL uses cache ," Yes well, if just one person could tell me exactly HOW to do that checking, I'd do it. "Hard drive space, too, and if it's Too big Windows will object...Error messages. Lighting adds to the amount of data space that's needed... sometimes DRASTICALLY! Anyway, maybe, after you get this straightened out, You'll have the answer for someone else.. 's how it works. Lou." "12. Re: Daz Collapsing - Help? by gezinorgiva on 12/2/05 04:29 Try a reinstall and get the latest Visual C install as well; then make sure your graphics card driver is up to date and I think the problem will go away unless you have an old machine." Machine new this year...

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