"Good excuse Dale. Everything seems to be discussed a lot in private so what I would discuss you would have no fear of it backfiring." An offer to have this discussion publicly, where you could prove whatever case you are talking about to others as well as myself is an 'excuse'? Oooookayfine. "You know what will happen if I were to prove you wrong on an open forum and I know it can be done but I will pass so agiel will not have to step in and lock or delete a thread. " Actually, I do. I would either say something like 'That was information I haven't heard before. Where did it come from?' Or 'I guess you are right on that issue.' Or 'You are so wrong, and here are the reasons why I say this'. I've been wrong about things before, and will be again. It's called being human. Let's face it, at the moment, all you have done is tell me I am wrong about something. Nowhere have you stated what I am supposed to be in error on. I'm not a telepath; this is merely a port 80 text/graphic interface. What exactly am I so wrong about? "he offer stands as long as I can breate a breath of fresh air. :) I am only an hour and half away by Interstate. :)" Maybe someday if we can both get to Dragon-Con when Rosity is there. As I said, I do not meet net aquaintances privately one on one. Call it a response to having to help a friend evade a rather persistant net stalker, and leave it at that. The details are not mine to give.