"There are a lot of points here to think about. People wouldn't be leaving this forum if e-on did their job and made stable software instead of messing around with Cornucopia. " Correction: e-on is providing server space, the use of their web monkey, and some work on the new Solid Growth plants. That's about it. The rest of their team is involved in applications work. "How many updates, lately, have been to make Cornucopia junk work? And then the update removed when it caused more problems. " To date there have been 15 updates, including the 3 initial busted 5.08 patches. Those supplanted each other, then e-on rolled back to the last 5.07. That's three. Then there were two more, IIRC, that were accidentally posted active, then pulled. So that makes 5 (and before anyone says there hasn't been that many, the mods at C3D have been testing a new update before it goes onto the beta page, so that any showstoppers get caught before it does). "So don't blame the messenger. The human messenger who may show feelings of a human nature and post their anger at semi-expensive software now working as advertised." And don't be surprised when the human beings on the other sides of the equation get fed up with antics and return fire. "Agiel, put fault where fault lies with e-on because if they made software that worked better nobody would have complained. I don't find it logical to blame upset posters for people leaving the forum." There's logical and factual. And if the facts are that those mentioned posters have shown up elsewhere in other Vue fora, stating that they left here because of the constant whining and poisonous atmosphere in what was once the best source of help for Vue around, then whatever logical deduction you may have is rendered meaningless by the facts of those people's own words. "I also don't see how you know the end results of any of the negative posts. How could you know what posts have what outcome and who reads them. Maybe the president of e-on read some of my negative posts and is rethinking something right now as I write this. Why be a know it all when there is so much left to know. Dale, I don't take any stock in anything you write." Is that a 'I'm a liar' statement, or a 'I've made my mind up and am gonna stamp my widdly footsies no matter what and tyou can't stop me!' statement? Just curious. "The pine trees were redone before and this is the third time." 1 time for exploding geometry and getting the broken reg key stuff out of it. 1 time for inverted needle textures. 1 time for non-centered hinge points on the alpha planes for the needles and a less serious case of exploding geometry. You're point being what? That things aren't perfect? Welcome to the real world of software development. "The semantics to the bonny clump being new and having upside down leaves is old to me regardless of what anyone at cornucopia says or thinks." Ah. Stamping the widdle footsies. Got it. And of course it's semantics...or more accurately, advertising. Not for the likes of you or me, but for those newbies who never entered the official e-on site when they were sold there. From that perspective, they are 'new'. As for inverted leaves....hmm. I've heard this from you...and from a former member who called him/herself 'BonnyClump'. Other than that, not a lot of people seem to be aware of this issue..... "And the free content at cornucopia excuse is just that an excuse. Free items don't have to take any time away from from debugging." No.....but dealing with adding a new module to a website, then the inevitable bugs and glitches, -does-. "To me the history goes like this. There were some problems with vue and some of them were fixed. Some more problems arose but they were not fixed. Cornucopia came along and even more problems developed. And now I am left waiting. My main problems are: Solid Growth trees that have stretched textures. Especially annoying when the trees are used in ecosystems." Oh? Which ones? "Render Cows not working." I believe you've been asked about hardware and version number quite a few times, and never provided much. Can't do much without some basic info, you know. "Procedural terrains not consistent." How so? Do you have a screen capture or render that can be used to show the problem? "Instant crashes when doing menial tasks like using the text editor." There was one update several updates ago that introduced that bug. It has been fixed in the latest updates. "Poor stability when using Open GL." Much of which could easily be the result of system issues. Which you won't discuss in any detail. "Memory leaks, render size & texture size constraints." True enough on the leaks, although that is improving steadily. texture size constraints are a combination of memory requirements, the aforementioned leaks, and apparently a change in the standard format of some kinds of graphic files. Render size is also linked to those memory issues. All are improving. "I imagine that many of the people who are offended by upset posters are beta testers for vue and are protecting their feelings." Then you are mistaken. The small number of beta testers for Infinite still post here; the ones who have left were not in the beta pool. They were just users and lovers of the application. "The main fact is many bugs get by e-on's free working beta testers and they are at fault as is e-on." How to win friends and not insult people you don't even know. Too bad such a book doesn't exist. You could stand to use a refresher course. "I think blame should go where it belongs. I find it ironic that this blame gets put back on me by the people I think are responsible for vue's problems. JMHO" But blame =IS= being put where it belongs. E-on has its own forums (assuming you haven't been banned for TOS violations), and they have a web based tech support access gateway. That is the place for actual technical issues to be resolved (considering that e-on is the only ones with access to the source code). Forums elsewhere have no real impact on software houses on a daily basis, save in special cases. There is a small, loud group of malcontents who find it almost impossible to stay away when anyone expresses joy, or happiness, or satisfaction in this product. A brief scan of the archives will reveal the same names everytime, and their words are still there for any to read. These aren't conversations where the words waft away on the breeze, only to remain in the hearer's memory....which can be challenged. This is text, and the records are there for anyone who is curious to examine. And many of the people you 'think' are responsible have no input or control over anything e-on does. I'm no employee, and certainly have no access to the source. Access to a few more facts, possibly. Beyond that, I'm just a forum weenie like everyone else here.