"I still think the genesis of Cornucopia and the new encryption method which doesn't need serial numbers is proof that Cornucopia is changing the way vue works." Think as you wish; that is your right. But just because you think it does not make it reality. Oh, and the serial numbers -are- there, actually; just embedded in the installer at runtime when you download it. "Nonetheless, developers, programmers, and beta testers are the people to blame for the increasing amount of bugs in vue that never get fix." You forgot a few guilty parties there, friend: 1) OS developers who change standardized programming structures for their own ends. 2) Users who load software without considering the possible consequences to their system's stability. 3) All the malware and spyware writers. I could go on, but I think the point is made. It is simply impossible to write software that will work on 5 or 6 generations of hardware, covering hundreds of separate vendors all fighting for their slice of the pie, and play nicely with the thousands of bits of code out there. Deal with it. "Get depressed over that and not the messenger that speaks the mind. And why are your feelings more important than mind. Did you ever think I feel depressed when I think how I spent $1000 on software that doesn't work as advertised. " They aren't. But they have no -greater- importance than mine, either. And the hard fact is that =you= spent that money. I didn't spend it for you. And if one piece of software not performing to your standards actually depresses you so badly, I would suggest selling it and moving on before you inflict more emotional harm on yourself. There are other packages out there, and I'm sure you could get a good price for the thing on ebay. Problem solved. "I have posted my complaints to vue techs until I am blue and nothing comes of it. I have posted my problems in other forums about vue. So for anyone to think that I haven't makes me believe that they are not rational. I have updated and things get worse. Dale, I don't take stock in anything you write because I find you not to be a good problem solver as are most of the people who work for e-on. Also, Dale, I don't care for your filibuster style of writing and semantics." Well.... a)I don't work for e-on. Volunteer. b)Considering you seem to want someone to wave the Wand of Wizardly Wonder at their screen and magically make things all better, I am not at all troubled by your (based on extremely limited information) 'opinion' of my skills at =any= level. Sorry. I know you don't like my 'style' of writing. I take your points one at a time, and avoid broad generalizations and grand hyperbolic sweeps of discourse. Makes it ever so much harder to respond to without getting into actual -facts-, doesn't it? Plus I don't get angry, thereby robbing you of your opportunity to play the martyr, abused by the evil henchman.... "One last bug that should have never been and caught by any bright beta tester. Bump maps didn't align with textures. What a step backwards!!! I find vue to be a lot less professional when all the free-working unprofessional people started working for it." Wow. I wonder how many professionals you just insulted with that particular statement? I can't say I've ever noticed that bump map issue. Have to see if its been fixed yet.... "I think this thread has come to an end. I disagree with the mob's rule and do so freely and openly." And you expect a monument erected where, precisely? "And my computer is great with plenty of power and ram. It works well with all other programs except for the latest vue infinite." It is not the size or power of the tool in question, but how one uses it that determines the true effectiveness of it.Whether you can deal with the reality of it or not, far too many people (as in the majority, apparently) use Infinite and Esprit successfully on a routine basis. The success rate rather decisively places the onus on =you= to prove your system config is not involved in your issues. And you refuse with broad, dataless boasting such as the quote above. As John said. There's this new Cararra. Terragen. Mojoworld. World Construction Kit. Hey, Bryce is even being actively developed once again. You have lots of options. If you refuse to take them, that choice is yours.