The problem in UF is using multi layers and the learning process of that in combination of using mask layers That process make,s it a difficult to understand program that need a long time of practise Without using this layers it is not more complex then each another fractal program in my idea But the succes story from the UF folks is using this multi layer tool :-) Tresamie her advice is a real goodone but you need indeed a special mailbox with all that fanatic UF folk on that list LOL My advice is ask a few friendly UF members for some parfiles in the style that you like to create and look good how it works Much succes Arend