hmmm, I have said this before on the apo list but I'll try to say it differently here... No, never mind on that. Talking about apophysis is like talking about someone's religion. I'm not going there this time. Maybe you would be happier at deviantart? Seriously, I'm not trying to be argumentative. Over there it seems that flames are the most popular. Maybe the best thing to do is to stop listing the software that we use. Why do we do that anyway? Why does it matter?