I have had some correspondence with Nerd and it looks like I have reinvented the wheel, the code I use is virtually identical to that which Nerd uses in in his Super Conforming figures, the diffrence is that I use 'NO_FIG' and Nerd uses 'conformingTarget' in the Figure line, the essential point is that we both leave the numbers out of the code. From what Nerd said I get the impression that it may be necessary to use 'conformingTarget' in P6. Ah well, there goes my big chance for 15 minutes of fame, at least in 2005.