Ok, I managed to grab it and it's a great freebie, but I did have to use IE instead of netscrap 7.x The problem: When I click to enter the site it shuts down my browser and kicks me back to my desktop. Dunno what's causing it. Using Netscape 7.1 (cuz I don't like the newer versions). Could be a problem with the flash on my end or some such. Not a major thing, just a minor annoyance cuz it makes me go hunt up IE (there's a few other sites out there that do the same thing). I need to find the updates to 7.x. I know I've got them on cd somewhere. Kate (who doesn't want you to worry about this, just wanted to fill you in on the NS 7 issue)