"I'd love Apophysis to have it's own gallery, then I wouldn't have to look at any more crap flames. Even the thumbnails are an affront to my eyes." You misunderstand, i'm not separating 'good from bad' flames. ALL flames are crap! That's why flames should ONLY be used as part of a bigger picture. Hitting random batch and moving triangles around for two minutes doesn't make you an 'artist'. OK, constructive comments. Ban flames that are just rendered out of Apophysis and posted on the site. This serves two main functions. 1) It saves me having to look at the crap. 2) It elevates the quality of pictures that are posted on the site because there will actually have to be some work involved in them. The people that are just rendering for the sake of it will actually have to learn how to enhance their work past the 'I made this for you mommy' stage. This makes a more creative gallery thus provoking other people to push themselves harder and come up with something different. I know I can't be the only person that is tired of seeing the same people call the same crap basic flames posted every day 'fantastic'. They have been doing it for god knows how many years now and people I have a newsflash for you. "THEY AREN'T GOING TO STOP!!!" I know what you all are going to say... "This is a community it's part of being here". Well look at the top of the page, because it has two words there. 'ART Community'. Sure you can kid yourselves that this place isn't about art it's more about community, but I live in a community, I have neighbours, I have friends, and my daily routine doesn't involve going from house to house in my street and kissing the arse of everyone I meet there. As for people who aren't 'skilled' enough to post in this gallery then maybe they should be shown the way to the beginner gallery. Otherwise, what's the point of having one. Tony Yeboah - The Apophysis Hater