Heather, Ahh, thank you for this more detailed explanation, as I was still having problems figuring it out yesterday, after reading your message to me. Now I can go back and try it again, and I will also go to his website to take a look at all of that as well. I'm trying to learn as much as I can in UF, as I love using it, and after trying several different programs, I feel that UF, to me, is much easier to use than some of the others, and gives you more control over more things. That's just personal experience, though I do also enjoy using Apophysis, and am now learning to use the two together. So I thank you greatly for this information, and will let you know how it goes! Happy rendering! Michelle / Daffodil