I hate magnets because even with the tutorials (most of which lose me at step 1, btw, as they become too darn complicated after that) I can't figure out how to get them to work. Heck, I'm still trying, after 5 years, to figure out the stupid grouping tool (can't get THAT to work right, either). Sooo... when I buy a character package, I check to make sure it doesn't involve the use of magnets because I can't use them at all. And I've spent way too much time frustrating myself trying to learn them, so I have just plain given up. Some things are just beyond my capabilities and magnets and the grouping tool are in that category. Kate (who is evidently too stupid and too tired of failure to even WANT to learn at this point)