jeffg, what is the L2 cache on your CPU? I second the notion that L2 cache size is the factor that REALLY impacts Poser render speed. stewar, I have and still use an entirely silent computer. I can only use it to do word processing on MacWrite, but that's okay, I have it up in my "quiet creative corner" away from my other whirlybird computers. Macintosh from 1984 Original 128K RAM fattened up to 512K No hard drive. Mac OS 3.2 on a flexible disc Just enough room for MacWrite and a small working file. No hard drive. No fan. Floppy drive only whirrs when saving. Pefectly silent ::::: Opera :::::