Nikki & Modesty, thanks for explaining!!! :) i had no idea these guys were for real. they don't sound very nice, that's for sure! they sound pretty mean...yeah...like hoodlums as Marlene said. can't say i really know about such hoodlums. we do have them, but where kemal and i live, well...we don't see too many young people. actually, we don't see many people at all 'cause we're working when the kids are out of school. even in the summer we don't see 'em much. guess they don't hang out much around here. Nikki...why am i not surprised that we're alike in that way? i'm glad! :) you have a retreat in sleepy hollow??? sounds awesome! i'd love to see some pictures sometime!!!! you're pretty secluded? Bet it's gorgeous where you live!