doesn't sound like a home run for me. I've left shadow maps behind now, and am heavily into massive use of dynamic hair, even in close-ups. Also, shaders, shaders, shaders, plus I don't need the plants and foliage. And yes, I'd have to render in very high quality, and that sounds like it brings VUE back to reality, in spite of dual-process-aware. Thanks tho! ::::: Opera :::::