I use everything you mentioned, including z-brush (for morphs) + a custom made app that "auto-sets" the character's limbs, torso, and head for the parent/child relationship. I havent created any for a while, but the last one I set up was modeled by someone else (the latchworm-which was a freebee on the bryce forum when I got it set up. Several people created very cool textures for it. You can search in the Bryce forum for it if interested). anywho...you can see the models I made here from scratch with the apps you mention in my store here. I used to have a site "posertech" which showed how to set up a character from start to finish. This site is only available on my amapi training cd (I think it was the 2nd one..but its been so long that I forget) luck BT