nah amapi is the only app I use to set up the model (ie create it) but I'd still stand amapi pro next to ANY app out there for raw modeling power. and the z/amapi combo is hard to beat. sometime I need to do a tute to show how to use z to tweak a characters appearance. Its really easy, but it does require a little instruction at first. You create the model and then if you desire tweaks (after youve mapped it) you create a morph in zbrush and use poser to adjust it. If you havent mapped it, no harm/no foul. Anyhow, my complaint about amapi is that it lost the ability to not corrupt uv's somewhere between release and the second patch. It was never restored. So it forces you to use an intermediate app if youve already mapped it. but in A's defense, I think a modeller should take their model into Z and tweak it before they start setting up joints and the like anyhow. Z makes it easy to get those muscle details, wrinkles and adjustments. Especially if you are familiar with masks (and uv mapper pro). luck BT