My opinion about is Apophysis art ? Art is starting from a clean window or basic matrial example clay or oil-paint and construct any thing by your self with your own hands or pencils or anything another tools you want to use I have seen random Apo renders that are so nice that i thought the writer has to make this program TO perfect :-) I like flames very much and i like also creating another fractal stuff but see that not as really art more playing with some cool parameter stuff what another folks has write and sometime with a very nice end result That there always are people that does this better then a another one is most a question of patience and yes a good eye for details, perspective and coloruse But from my out you may call this art no problem it all with that :-)) Cheers Arend