Guess what no one realizes is that Apophysis was spelled wrong on purpose... it's not a 'poop' program, so hope i have straighten that out smile Anyways, what either artist uses to create their piece of work don't matter to anyone, if they are happy with it, that's their choice, and if someone just doesn't like it, thats their choice also Some people don't like my art, and don't see that as art, or as fractal art, just because they don't have it or can't use it for they use a different computer I am very content and happy with the software [artmatic, photoshop, painter] and hardware [iMac G5, Wacom Intuos etc.] i use, i can create things i most likely won't be able to make with Ultra Fractal or Apophysis. It is very hard to have people buy your stuff even when it is made with fractal programs, but i can live from it, art is my profession. And they like to have my work on their walls. Digital art still stands in the childrens shoes, i mean it is quite new. A few years back, i had a very hard time trying to sell work of a former friend, who was brilliant in her Ultra Fractal art. I never had any art school or education for the designs i make, i believe it is a gift from Heaven that i am able to create my work, so i don't follow any rule as Dirk has described above, i do as i feel it is the right thing to do But i want to learn new things also, so i might get myself a wintellie next year to try and learn what most of you do. I am also very busy making sculptures when i get the time for it. Time will change as long as we put our minds to it, the more people see it, the more they will want to have it on their walls also. I have had an exhibition, or the exhibition is till january 7th 2006. I just didn't sell anything. But that is alright, in other countries i do very well. here we people don't have much money to buy us art. And they like other things also than what i have showed on that exhibition. They most likely found my pieces of work too much for their wallet and decided to go to ebay to buy works of mine for a much lower price smile Next year i hope more pure fractal art will be introduced, i will work on that... Hope you all have a most wonderful happy end of the old year 2005 and prepare yourself on a healthy, peaceful 2006, and please don't let yourself get intimidated by those who have no respect for your creations, for you are the one who sees that as what you have created on your screen as your own art. God bless and lots of love Harmen