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Subject: Doctor Who, a sort of challenge


AntoniaTiger ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 3:07 AM · edited Sun, 01 December 2024 at 3:12 PM

Doctor Who is still running, now with David Tennant playing the part. But which Poser figure would be the best starting point to model him in the role? And would it be the same for the older versions, all the way back to William Hartnell and, in the cinema, Peter Cushing? I'm inclined to think that David, or maybe Mike 2, would work better than Mike 3, but that might just be seeing a few too many under-morphed, over-muscled, Mikes prowling temples. Oh, and the Christmas Special was great.


kuroyume0161 ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 3:19 AM

Scrooge you! ;) Even with BBCA here acrossed the pond, we don't get the new Doctor Who series. Not even worth following if you can't follow it... Will they ever finish the Big 'Red Dwarf' film? Nah. Give me a link to pictures of the current Doctor Who actor and I might be more kind. :)

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

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AntoniaTiger ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 3:38 AM

Attached Link: The obvious place to find the new Doctor

The video trailer for the next season is interesting too.


kuroyume0161 ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 4:07 AM

Yeah, but I can't get all worked up about teasers and trailers. ;P Let's face it, Doctor Who is a classic serial 'cliff hanger'. The only way to enjoy it is a piece at a time, but in full. I cannot enjoy tidbits. David is probably the best bet. Much better morph flexibility than M2 and not as bulky as M3 (this new Doctor is kinda scrawny - sort of like the original, William Hartnell, I guess). Personally, I liked the Bakers as the Doctor followed by Jon Pertwee. The latter is where I first started with the series as a young lad whose father was a big Sci-Fi fan and watched with him. But I must withold judgement on this new gentleman until somehow, someway I can actually see the series.

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

 -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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Redfern ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 5:11 AM

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Ah, a subject I can get into! May I humbly suggest whatever figure one uses, make sure Beth Capsces has made a morph package for it. Her sets increase the versatility of a given figure by several factors. Here's "Boris for Michael" wearing the "Alberto" texture by Mec4D. Voila! Peter Cushing from the two AARU theatrical Dalek movies! (Okay, he's not an exact match. I wasn't trying for Cushing, but it caught the "flavor" well enough by accident that I decided to keep it.) Also, keep in mind the better the texture, the morphs need not be accurate down to the last micrometer. That's not to say morphs are unimportant, but a high resolution photo quality map will hide a certain percentage of mesh inaccuracies. Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


KarenJ ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 6:02 AM

I would have thought David would be best for the current doctor. He's kind of skinny. For Chris Ecclestone I would have thought M2 or M3. Or maybe even Don. Coincidentally, I was discussing all the doctors with a colleague this morning (pretty quiet here at work today) and we agreed that you never forget your "First Doctor" and that the replacement is always considered a mockery and a sham for at least their first series. Hence, my First Doctor was Tom Baker, and I loathed Peter Davidson for a good year before I got used to him. My colleague, who's slightly younger, had Davidson as his First Doctor, and loathed Colin Baker. (So did I, and I still do. He just looks insufferably smug.) Anyway here are my thoughts. Jon Pertwee - M3 or Don Tom Baker - M2 Peter Davidson - M3 or maybe James Colin Baker - someone smug looking. Judy? Sylvester McCoy - David Chris Ecclestone - M3 or Don David Tennant - David I can't remember the older ones well enough to make a suggestion.


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kuroyume0161 ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 6:24 AM · edited Mon, 26 December 2005 at 6:25 AM

Well, after careful consideration, Tom Baker was the best. And this is, at least, backed by the fact that he portrayed the Doctor for the longest time (at least twice that of any other actor). I think that the combination of aloofness and individuality (read: anti-disestablishmentarianism) played well against the authoritarian and dogmatic villains (the Master, Davros, etc.).

I see that the first 'new' season is available on DVD if and only if you can do PAL and Region 2. How disappointing! Okay, I could regularly watch Doctor Who on PBS in the 70's and 80's, but now, in the electronic, digital, computer, internet, satellite age, I cannot even get a glimpse. How disappointing! (again) WTF!?

The Kumars at No. 42 are brilliant, but life barred from Doctor Who is tragic, I tell ya. Tragic...

Message edited on: 12/26/2005 06:25

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

 -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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Redfern ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 6:42 AM

Kuro, I have good news for you. Reversing an earlier decision, the BBC will officially release Eccleston's 13 episodes in Region 1 DVD format on February 14, 2006 in the United States! Originally, the "Beeb" was going to release R1 DVDs in the States only after one of the US television services had bought the series. Since no one did, "Aunty Beeb" decided to cut her losses and sell them after all. Of course, Canada was going to get them anyway and Americans could have bought them through the Canadian division of Amazon.com, but this way, they'll appear in stores. Another bit of cool news Poser/DW related... I placed a request at PoserWorld asking if Steve Shanks might consider releasing a Doctor Who "inspired" wardrobe. He says he WILL do it; he just can't commit to a date. Since Tom Baker is the most widely known, Shanks will base the outfit upon one of his. As to what figure it'll be sized for, I don't know. Thankfully, Wardrobe Wizard can handle that. Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


pakled ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 7:00 AM

I don't know about the clothing or models, but there's a site called (I think) the Interocitor...google it, and you can get things like the Police box (which may be in freebies here as well), the sonic screwdriver, etc. And, of course, there's no shortage of Daleks..
Peter Cushing was in a Dr. Who movie? All I've seen is that 'millenium' movie, and 'the 5 doctors'..musta missed this one...imagine, Grand Moff Tarkin as a Galifrean..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


Redfern ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 7:24 AM

Pakled, sorry to burst your bubble, but in the two AARU releases, Cushing played an eccentric human literally named Doctor Who rather than a Gallifreyan Time Lord mysteriously addressed as the Doctor. The Daleks were promoted as the attraction, not the fellow controlling the TARDIS. Surprisingly, the films followed the original BBC serials in most other respects (though abridged compared to the episodic format). Yeah, it would have been cool to have seen Cushing play the role closer to the televised concept with the dark edge he portrayed in his Hammer horror film appearances. That's what I tried to suggest in my renders. Instead, he was a lovably absent-minded grandfather figure in the two movies (which were really geared to a children's audience). Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


Redfern ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 7:28 AM

Attached Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059126/

Here's a link to Cushing's first appearance as Dr. Who (yes, the movie abbreviated his doctorate title). Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


Redfern ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 7:30 AM

Attached Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060278/

...and his second outing. You'll notice "Who" does not appear in the title this time. Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


fygomatic ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 10:07 AM

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I don't watch the show, but here's a quick Chris Eccleston Dr. Who (done with M3) that I did for somebody.


artbyphil ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 10:25 AM

I thought Chris Eccleston was good as the doctor shame he left so soon. I watched the christmas special last night with the new doctor David Tennant in it, not too bad, he could grow on me. Nice morph there fygomatic definatly caught the look. is this just done with the standard mike 3 morphs or is it one you made?

 


pakled ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 11:04 AM

Attached Link: http://www.thelogbook.com/

well..slap me na*ed and sell my clothes..;) Confession..I kinda faded out when Baker did..;) Here's a story-by-story synopses of all the episodes of Dr. Who from 63-80's..;) If you ever think you're O-C, compare this..;) (bless his heart, though..;) It's all I know of *Blake's 7*..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


Redfern ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 12:07 PM

By the Seal of Rassilon, Fygomatic! It's a good thing I was not drinking anything when I scrolled to that portrait, or else I'd have shorted my monitor from the "spit take"! I'd love for you to register at the Who3D forums and present that image, proving great things CAN be done with DAZ based figures. Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


fygomatic ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 12:36 PM

Thanks for the comments. artbyphil: I don't use the standard M3 morphs, I shape the M3 head mesh in lightwave. Redfern: I'll check out that forum.


rain ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 1:20 PM

Wow! fyqomatic, that is amazing work! You've really got him :)


Redfern ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 1:22 PM

Attached Link: http://www.interocitor-media.com/forum/

Here's the link, Fygomatic. It's headed in part by Cliff Bowman, a very prolific poster upon the DAZ boards, who is also known here as Who3D. Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


mrsparky ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 3:49 PM

fygomatic - wow THATS spot on! Redfern's right as well. Plus Cushing was the only Doctor on film bar the "that shall not be named" american/TV movie. Best doctor depends on your generation. So Pertwee and Baker for me. If anyone wants Poser ready Who stuff have a look at: http://www.vanishingpoint.biz/ Theres a load of stuff there, including the lady cassaranda (new series) which JHogland kindly built for me using "The Art of Doctor Who" booklet [given away with a copy of SFX] as reference. Not making any comment on the espiode, or the trailer that showed some of the forthcoming stuff. as I don't like spoilers. But will I say the interactive "episodelet" on BBCi [Channel 301 on Freeview] is a brillant idea! The best use of interactive TV I've ever seen. Theres no skimping on this production quality graphics and effects. While no relation to the xmas story it offers 15-20 minutes of the new guy with a simple story and puzzle game. All Controlled by your digibox remote control.

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.



almck1@hotmail.com ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 5:58 PM

What about Apollo Maximus He can be almost anyone


artbyphil ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 6:16 PM

Attached Link: http://www.redders-daleks.com/

By the way while we're on the topic of Dr Who I came across this site for any dalek fans. This guy does the best Dalek renders I've seen. Can't get the models unfortunately(I emailed him to ask but he dosent distrbute them) but its woth looking at his images.

 


duanemoody ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 10:58 PM

fygomatic: You. Me. Manbabies. Now. B^) Seriously, it's good to see you address our gender as well.


JHoagland ( ) posted Mon, 26 December 2005 at 11:00 PM

Attached Link: http://www.vanishingpoint.biz/freestuff.asp

We have all kinds of Doctor Who things at Vanishing Point... and they're all for Poser (and of course, for free)! Go to the Free Stuff page and select "Doctor Who" from the pull-down list. Futuristic Court Room (*Trial of a Time Lord*, 6th Doctor). Dalek figure (from the 2005 TV series) Sonic Screwdriver prop (2nd to 5th Doctor) The Lady Cassandra (*The End of the World*, 9th Doctor) And of course, my original TARDIS. Plus, there is Davros and some TARDIS props made by other people. ;)


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mrsparky ( ) posted Tue, 27 December 2005 at 7:42 AM

opps. cross post there John: )

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.



LostinSpaceman ( ) posted Tue, 27 December 2005 at 10:00 AM · edited Tue, 27 December 2005 at 10:01 AM

Sarah Jane, K9 and Cybermen Oh My!!!
Sarah Jane, K9 and Cybermen Oh My!!!
Sarah Jane, K9 and Cybermen Oh My!!!
We're Off to see the Doctor! The Wonderful Doctor Who!

Message edited on: 12/27/2005 10:01


shedofjoy ( ) posted Tue, 27 December 2005 at 10:40 AM

@ kuroyume0161 I dont think they will ever film the Red Dwarf film, for the past 3 years i have asked Craig Charles(Lister) when he will start filming, and as always he keeps saying "Ohh we will start filming next year"... hmmm... i think Chris Barry(Rimmer) has ended all hope of there being anything to do with Red Dwarf... shame.. Ohhh and the new Dr Who was Excellent, Thankfully the days of Slyvester Mcoy are gone, can't wait for the new series, and i see K9 is in it too... Yayyyyyyy

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.


kuroyume0161 ( ) posted Tue, 27 December 2005 at 12:15 PM

That's my feeling about the Red Dwarf film. These guys are starting to get older - as evidenced by Robert Llewellyn in 'Rubbish Heap'. ;) I really think that Chris Barry could have a future doing the same style character (oops, type-casting ahead). His portrayal as the butler in the Tomb Raider series really puts him into too minor of a role. Now I'm all the more figity about the new Doctor Who series. It will be great if the 2005 season series will be released here in Feb, 2006. K9! Jelly-baby, anyone?

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

 -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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n3k0 ( ) posted Wed, 28 December 2005 at 1:06 AM

Ah, yes. The first episode I saw was with Tom Baker and the first appearance of Leela of the Sevateem.


kuroyume0161 ( ) posted Wed, 28 December 2005 at 1:36 AM

If my memory serves (and this was loooong ago), the first episode that I saw was Pertwee against the Master where there was a doll that tried to kill him and Jo in an automobile (not Betsy) somewhere in the plot. It may have been "Terror of the Autons", but I'm not certain.

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

 -- Bjarne Stroustrup

Contact Me | Kuroyume's DevelopmentZone


Redfern ( ) posted Wed, 28 December 2005 at 3:47 AM

Tom Baker's debut in "Robot" as he faced off with Ketterwell's cybernetic creation, August 1982 when WFSU started airing them in daily episodic, cliffhanger format. Fun times, fun times! Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


kuroyume0161 ( ) posted Wed, 28 December 2005 at 3:59 AM

Certainly they were. Some of my high school 'geeky' friends were heavily into Doctor Who. Hmmmm, let me see. One wore the 'scarf' around all the time (and played D&D which never caught my fancy) and another went out for Halloween as Mr. Spock (way before I became interested in Star Trek). But at about that time, just after 1982, I started watching those Tom Baker episodes. My sister called them 'low-budget, rubber-suited cheese-balls' at the time, but I still religiously clamoured my way to the TV on Sunday nights to watch on PBS (along with the classic B&Ws like Casablanca)! Definitely fun times - and strangely, evolving times. The more that I watched, the more my interests swayed from junk to science and logic; all the time being engaged by the fiction. Except for series like Cosmos, has there been anything so engaging and thought invocative since?

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

 -- Bjarne Stroustrup

Contact Me | Kuroyume's DevelopmentZone


mrsparky ( ) posted Wed, 28 December 2005 at 6:05 AM

I find theres 2 ironys here... 1. The BBC has struggled, and usually failed, to get people watching BBC1 on a Saturday night. And their viewing figures are saved by a series they tried for years to wipe out. 2. Anyone who admited liking Who was a 'nerd'. Yet now most of my mates kids have got toy daleks and nearly every xmas tv guide has a tardis on it. I also wonder how much of the new series has been down to efforts of fandom and the stars of the show, who are often genuine friends to the fans. Tom Cruise wouldn't sit down with a fan and have lunch with them without being paid. But the late great Micheal Sheard (he of Star Wars) would.

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.



shedofjoy ( ) posted Wed, 28 December 2005 at 10:39 AM

now you know how we feel kuroyume0161 on this side of the pond as we have to wait a long long time for shows like Stargate,Battlestar Galactica, Lost etc.... hopefully one day the bosses will realise this does not stop piracy... if only england and the US had the same release dates....oh well..

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.


n3k0 ( ) posted Wed, 28 December 2005 at 11:11 PM

Me, my brother, and our 2 friends went to a Dr. Who convention to see Tom Baker. We didn't have anything for him to sign, so he takes $1 bills from his wallet, signs them, and gives them to each of us. That was awesome. Now, how many celebrities would do something like that? My Tom Baker-signed $1 bill is still in a photo album at my parents' house.


kuroyume0161 ( ) posted Thu, 29 December 2005 at 12:19 AM

shedofjoy - yes, things suck both directions. One good point about Battlestar Galactica is that if it is possible, you may be able to purchase the shows (1.99 USD) using iTunes. Not certain if these are available to non-US residents though. But this could be perfect avenue to these issues if it becomes ubiquitous! n3k0 - Unless you really trust your parents or that nothing whatsoever could happen to that photo album, I'd abscond with the signed bill and place it somewhere very safe. It may have value, if not now, in a few Time Lord lifetimes... :)

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

 -- Bjarne Stroustrup

Contact Me | Kuroyume's DevelopmentZone


AntoniaTiger ( ) posted Thu, 29 December 2005 at 8:38 AM

I first saw Tom Baker playing the lead in the Scottish Play, before he ever became The Doctor. Over the years, there have been many different Doctors, but there's only one I have seen who didn't appear in any stories which stuck in my mind; Colin Baker. Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred, despite the guest stars who maybe didn't fit the story, did a surprising amount of good stuff on TV. I think they saved the show, simply by having it end, all those years ago, with stories that people remembered.


Redfern ( ) posted Mon, 02 January 2006 at 8:10 PM

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Well, I had hoped Steve Shanks would have surprised us during his end-of-year release marathon with the Tom Baker wardrobe, but I guess my request is further back in the queue. But to continue this topic, one particular figure is a shoe-in for a specific DW character. No, I don't mean for the Doctor, but rather, one of his recurring adversaries, the Sontarans. (These guys were the original "clone troopers", years before Lucas presented his.) Which mesh? Come on, DAZ's "Freak", of course! I've attached a dossier styled render showing how the Freak can be made to resemble the cloned soldiers using no more than the standard morph package. The trick is to scale his head to 150 percent along all axes and then 133 percent along its width or "X" axis. The neck should be tilted back roughly 20 degrees and the head forward the same amount to reposition the head, centering it upon the shoulders. The "stretch neck" dial is useful by entering a value of -2.000. Now, the neck will look distorted if it were visible, but the Sontaran costume is remembered for the oversized helmet ring that hides the warrior's chin. For this example, I modeled a fairly simple shape that approximates the design. It does not have the (in)famous "probic vent", but from this angle, it doesn't matter. I used nothing more than the expression morphs for this test, but the Michael 3 head morphs (which I've yet to install) can be used to refine the details. I did use three injection body morphs designed for the Freak, the "comic hero", the "spandex" and the "hunchback" (at .450) to thicken up his frame. Without them, his head looks more like a Mardi Gras mask. (Yes, I know the pressure suit padding is not correct. I just used what textures I had. Besides, I suspect Russel T. Davies will update their armor should the Sontarans return.) There you have it! Sincerely, Bill

Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"!


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