A Ren-mem...yes trying to start simple..the shader area is easy yet complex at the same time.... @bwtr - another good idea.... I had my water on a plane & was trying to mix with snow....it had more snow than ice...lets say 98% water & 2% snow/ice.....need to do more playing around. I was using the multi-channel mixer...and thought later the environment might work better...still playing... All good ideas :) Thank you all once again :) You've been a big help :)