I need to do a correction on my snow and water image upon further experimentation. All that was needed to this image using Kixum's Multi Channel Mixer described technique with Shader Ops Scale and a Fractal noise texture for the snow texture (I don't know if I needed Shader Ops it is just real handy and easy plugin to use for something like this). I still think Veloute plugin is great, however, it was not needed for my image. Still learning. Thanks for understanding, I don't want to mislead anyone on the use of plugins. I love all the examples posted on this great learning thread. Happy New Year Everyone! Stan