Richard, can you get me somethng graphic. The reason that I have not seen the buttock problem - my JP set up max's at 90 degree thigh and 40 degree buttock. I split the bend between the groups and probably can not go as far as you do. I need to use the native CR2 - which I used for this - and look at the extremes. Whoever set up the JP on Victoria does not think of joint movements in the way that I do. This is not to say that they are not correct, but I can not pose a figure using their set up. Scapula - also a picture - I live alone and can not easily see the movement on myself.