Richard, you have started something here...... I look at all 7 to 9 new pages in the gallery every day. I agree with you totally. The ones that really annoy me are the ones with no thumb, which is becoming more common, and the ones that have a totally different thumb to the main shot. Especially those that make there thumb in PS/PSP or whatever, of just text on a background, WHY!!!!! I think if the new PHP system can auto make a thumb from the original, it should be used. Whilst we are at it, when the new PHP thingy starts, I also think the Ranking vote thing should also be removed. total waste of time. I stopped using this ages ago on my gallery and never use it on viewed photos. If I really like a shot I will say so in the comments box. Just my few pennies worth. Well glad I got that off my chest. Morning all. Steve