3dsmax 5? I have you beat, Quest... I'm still using version 3 for modelling!! Heck, I found a few free maxscripts on the net that give me almost as much modelling functionality as they have now in version 8! Well, ok... not quite as much, but good enough for me. The only reason I didn't upgrade since Max 3 is because I can't afford to yet, plus I'm waiting to see what happens now that Autodesk purchased Alias. Maybe we'll see a 3ds Maya. haha. I bought Bryce just before Xmas, and have been playing around with it. It's a nice little app for quickly putting together some large outdoor scenes, but I'm not thrilled about the material editor, and I miss being able to script out tedious things. Does Bryce support scripting?