Hold on, stop the debate! It seems that some of the opinions posted here are causing certain Apophysis artists to stop posting flames. Apparently, Apophysis users have delicate sensibilities and we need to refrain from talking about Apophysis until they are all tucked up in bed. Otherwise, we have a potential tantrum situation. It's been brought to my attention that some people think certain individuals that have commented in this thread should publicly apologize to all renderosity members for what they have said here. So, as i'm the person that started the thread I guess it falls to me to offer an apology. I'm sorry! I'm sorry, that you think a discussion on what people consider to be art is not something that should be discussed in an Art Community. I'm sorry, that certain members feel that a legitimate discussion on what is art could cause someone to stop posting images. I'm sorry, that you feel the need to publicly chastize other people through a medium that has no prior knowledge or involvement in what you are saying. I'm sorry, that our passion to see fractal art become more mainstream contradicts with your own views on fractal art. I'm sorry, that you can't accept that some people have different opinions to you and also have the right to voice them. As long as it doesn't break the TOS then it is a perfectly valid opinion. But most of all, i'm sorry I ever started this thread. The only reason I started it was because I wanted to hear what Keith had to say from the first thread. Everything else that is written here is really of no interest to me whatsoever. But do you hear me complaining because other people have made their views known? No, because I respect other peoples opinions, up to the point that they attack me or someone else just for stating 'our' opinion. Tony Yeboah - Not the footballer.