"It could be argued that a render is not derivative of the mesh (but might be of the texture)." Much more accurate :D. However, non commercial terms of use isn't a copyright issue -- it's a contractual one, and if the terms of use are "not for commercial use", then that does include renders. "Incidentally, I have contacted some Japanese freestuff providers for permission regarding commercial renders, and the reply I always got was along the lines of my previous post above." Same here. But better to ask than assume. "Somehow, I've got serious doubts that there's been even one such case ever brought against anyone in the short history of Poserdom." Same. But that doesn't mean that 1 - it can't happen, and 2 - that it won't. Indeed, I believe,in general, that it will happen -- and I won't be on the paying end, if I can help it. "So what's to enforce a freebie EULA? In reality, I believe that we are dealing with an honor system here." Incorrect. In reality, we are dealing with contract law. Within the acceted norms of the communtiy we are dealing with an honor system in the hopes of not having to take it to the reality. Because the reality sucks, and would create all sorts of ugly headaches, and none of us want to go through that. "For the average Poser user -- you don't go against the freebie creator's wishes simply because it isn't "nice" to do something like that. Not because you've got any real fear of being sued. " True, but ya never know.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)