operaguy - but aiko's shoulders don't destroy the illusion for you? i like miki's shoulders at least as much as aiko's, and every other point on her body beats out aiko for realism, in my eyes. and actually, in the above pics, i think her shoulders do look very real. i was just using her in a pic with exposed shoulders and that was one of the few joints i didn't have to fight very hard. and i fight with aiko about as much. but that's me. i just think it's interesting that people have complained so much, and so far, i've had more real results than the unimesh crew and haven't had any harder time posing. i mean, glamorous jessi is incredible at bending, and apollo maximus seems to be as well (i don't own him, but others' images show absolutely excellent bends if very round joints). but in comparison to the unimesh crew, i haven't found miki's body in any way less real. but that's just to my eyes. everybody sees something different when they look at a picture, at a figure. Tucan-Tiki- really? i guess i have to reference the above- i can't see that at all. but cool!