Hmmm... i don't think that message 52 was directed at you for an apology, Keith, more to Tony or whatever his alias is I am pretty sure though that someone is making a dirty head-game out of this whole thread, and we should reconsidder to think about what we really are doing here at this community; discussing whether something is art, or showing and sharing our creative capabilities to create art. I believe the latter is more appropriate and futhermore be supportive for everyone who wants to improve their pieces of work by those who know the lashes of the whip. For the rest we should just ignore this Tony trying to smear dirt over our whether or not daily creations, people like him don't really fit into this community. If ye just don't like the pieces of work others create, don't look at it then. But i assume you don't like any art other than your own, since you just complain in this thread without any positive outcome.