According to my profile sept 1 1999, but I go back to when this site first started and PFO before that.... Ah, those were the days my friends we thought that would never end..... sorry, couldn't resist. Anyway, Poser and Renderosity has been my window to the world for the last number of x years, especailly when I am having trouble with MS and can't get out or about.... Thanks guys, you'll never know how much you have help me over the years! Butch