I take it Charles that you work for Eovia. It might be "stupid" if everyone who bought C5 was an "experienced" user. However, there will be quite a few "new" users who do not have a clue about C5. The new users get the pleasure of trying to find a C5 aftermarket pub that will cost them from $25 to $49 dollars as a rule. If it cost $10 dollars for Eovia to produce an accurate manual to include with C5, I would have gladly paid that extra $10 dollars instead of what it will cost me to buy a commercial pub from a bookstore. So instead of coming down $50 dollars on the price, Eovia could have come down $40 dollars. Actually, Eovia could have kept the original price, included a manual and they still would have sold just as many copyies and made more money. I have two monitors on my system, yes I can put a .pdf up on one monitor, but when I make notes on the crt with my pen, it makes it difficult for me to read the .pdf manual. At least with a paper copy I can write in the manual any notes that I care to. Not trying to be ugly about this Charles, but Eovia will be hard pressed to prove to me and many others that they made the right decision by not including a manual. Simply because other software companies are dropping the manual does not mean that Eovia needs to follow suite. I suppose that when C6 comes Eovia will begin using that well known fast talking telemarketing technique that DAZ uses.