@CrazyDawg I was never on a soap box to begin with. You just assumed I was. Now instead of kicking the soap box out from under me, you just kickd me in the leg, ouch! I have slightely changed my poisition when I said I was in total agreement with ERLIK. It takes learning the rules before you can break them, just as you need to sail across a rive before you can be at the other side. You can go back in read the post, it is my last post before this one. So yes skills and rules ar important, but I belive it is far more important to have the ablity to throw out all rules and create from there. I think the bottom line is, and of course it is only my opinion, That when creating whether it is 3d, paint, pencil and paper, sculpting, music etc. that one should not limited themselves by concepts as beauty, ugly, good taste, bad taste, good art, bad art or any other concept. I think getting to that point is the most in important part. I guess its more like the actual conception of the idea. You have to concieve of an idea before you can create it. The less you are bound by concepts the more pure the idea concieved will be. The concepts seem to serve as a filter that the mind runs through before the idea is concieved, the more filters the more diluted the idea becomes. So I see the importance of thechnical skill especially in the 3d. Techincal skill becomes the means by which you bring the idea into the world, so without sufficiant technical skill the idea never leaves the mind.But without a doubt I belive it is much more benifical to have a mind free of concepts with no technical ability to express ideas rather than a mind boxed into a corner by concepts but with great technical ability.