Friday, August 13, 1999 is what Renderosity has on file, but I joined Willow's Poser Fourm "The Old Renderosity" back in 1997 I do believe. Everything here was FREE and Poser 3.0 was owned by Metacreations. Unlike most people here I liked Willow & Grey and hope that I can chat with them again someday soon. Graphics Software has came along way since the early days of 3D Fractal "1991" when I started working with this stuff. Glad to see the younger folks taking interest in 3D Graphics. A ton of great artist out there. -=Nomad=-