I really dont see what all the fuss is about (and why this topic is so popular every month..) What does 'art' have to do with the medium it has been created with ? People produce horribly bad output with the most high end of 3d apps, its not like poser has a monoply on this. And even using the most high end of apps wont make anyone an artist or anything either. Now i am primarily a modeller, and i can understand some of the pride that modellers feel cause IMO modelling is the most satisfying and direct of all the 3d disciplines. It lets you see instant results and is closest to the feeling of 'creating something with your own hand' as you can get in 3d. However this doesnt mean that its the only game in 3d, cause other disciplines are just as (if not more) important, even if they are more subtle in the results they produce. As long as the result shows the creator's hard work and care in producing it, im happy to give it a thumbs up, even if its lighting, texturing or even arranging/posing. I do confess some distaste in looking at 'poserart', where its just a bunch of randomly thrown together props/figures and the user is too lazy to make of use of the wonderful things he has in there. But then perhaps not everyone uses poser with the same aims, and some might be getting enough satisfaction from just playing with it. Bottomline, some of the more pretentious 'artists' out there (on both sides of this fence) just need to get off their high horse is all... And the really talented/skilled artists dont have this kind of elitist attitude in the first place.