Jimdoria: "A near-life-size sculpture of Michael Jackson and his chimp, done in gilded porcelain (sculpted, poured, painted and fired by someone other than the "artist")" Saw that one at SF MOMA. I liked it a lot. Yes, the subject was derivative and the work was mass-produced, but all of that supported the underlying concepts. The concept determined the form. I have to say in too much of Poser the form determines the concept. This does not prevent one from making good art, however. The haiku form is incredibly restrictive, and it would be too easy to characterize all haiku as simple wordplay; a complex intellectual game, not poetry. Many haiku do, however, rise to the level of poetry. Yet, down that route is realizing that there can be "art" in a well-written computer program, in a hand-made guitar, in practically any of what are otherwise called "crafts" fields. Obversely, there are millions of hand-done oil landscapes out there that must be characterized as more "craft" than art; as they lack the intangible something beyond craftsmanlike execution of the subject. Deciding "what is art" is a fool's game. What is useful, instead, is to ask of a particular creative process or material if it allows personal expression, or if it emphasises craft skills -- or worse (like Poser tends to) emphasizes the drudgery of numbers. After all, one may be a musician, one may play music, but when one is trying to break in a new reed by playing scales few would characterize that as anything other than a drudge-work task. Breaking in a reed may be done with creativity and sensitivity as well as skill, but in the mind of the player "Music" will come later.