Niles, the saddle is a conforming figure, and as soon as I use the Conform to command, it snaps to mil horse and all scaling dials become unresponsive. Considering the saddle wasnt modelled with the intent of a pad being between it and the horse, I think I got lucky with this minimal level of pokethru. Randym, couldnt have done it without you LD and Diolma Thanks again everyone!!!