I understand where symetrical modeling would be useful. It has never been a requirement of mine. Actually models that are symetrical I try and undo by adding or moving things around. I have tryed Zbrush and do not like it, it's not for me. I have always done symetrical modeling manually like I said. create one side, copy and flip, reverse the normals and join/weld. labor intensive but possible, or I have used a function in various programs called "mirror" which mirrors the polys and then freeze them so that I have a full whole wireframe which I can then move stuff around on either side. I don't see Carrara 5 not having symetrical modeling as a deterant to purchasing the program, I'm sure there are workarounds for doing what I would need. I own Shade 7, Lightwave 7.5. I want to get my Poser files rendered faster and utilize features like subsurface scattering, which Shade and Lightwave don't have. To each their own, certain people have specific needs and requirements. Carrara 5 seems to meet my needs, and the things it doesn't have I'm not really too concerned about. Hexegon 1.2 looks like an interesting modeler and getting a lot of praise. I just didn't know if it was part of Carrara 5 pro or not, and it may make a difference in my purchasing decisions based on prices etc. I'll have to weigh all that. I for one am really excited by what I've read and seen people playing with Carrrara 5 so far, so excited I want to spend money and play.