GWeb. EVERY post I see from you has complained about this. You have commented that "Eovia knew about symmetery that it is essential for modeling but they won't implement it for Carrara, I considered it rude." Do you think that Eovia makes all their complex programming decisions based on the 'squeaky wheel' of one person? There are MANY discussions I have read, here and elsewhere, regarding the LACK of symetry ADDS to the beauty of things. Makes them more interesting. There have been studies at major universities around the world that show that when the human form is lacking in 'perfect symetry' it is perceived as being MORE beautiful. In a different thread here, it was pointed out to you that you could use the Project Gemini plugin to acheive your symetry easier. You admitted in that thread that you haven't upgraded from ver 3 yet. How can you make an assesment of a product that you don't have?! PLEASE.... stop wasting everyones bandwidth on this obsesion you have with symetry. Please?