I know what you mean, garee, but I'm not exactly crazy about having a 'clone' of the Material Room. I'd like to see a Material Room, but not necessarily based on the Poser one. There are dozens of apps out there with procedural shader rooms, and the poser one isn't anywhere near the best or most intuitive for new users. However, as EK pointed out, the whole DS core, including the renderer, lends itself to powerful scripting, so advanced procedurals are definitely on the cards. Probably just not a priority at this stage. Still, the latest release has some new material options which point in that direction (as a Lightwave user, I'm sure you recognise the layout). But the mere fact that we can now create our own menus and toolbars shows how versatile the core is. Not to mention 3rd-party plugins like Handgrip and Content Finder (which I now can't live without). DAZ have built a good solid base now and we're only at V1.2. The real goodies will start arriving soon. mac