Gweb you have made your point and Eovia as read your posts and frankly you didn't need to post it in just about every topic. They do read this forum. The problem is that you have just about infuriated every member in this group. The continue posting of Symmertrical modeling is driving everyone here crazy. You could have send a dirrect message to Eovia tech support. Another thing would be to post a message when you see Charles Brissart or Bob Stockwell and say to the effect that you wish to have symmetrical modeling in Carrara.Once is all it takes. I think this is fair and you can live with it.