Why not just use Victoria? What makes extreme closups convincing as photorealism is the texture, the skin shader effects, and the lighting/shadows. There are one zillion Victoria textures to choose from, and the shaders and lighting...you have to learn them. If you need a face that does not look like the default Vickie...once again, there are one zillion packages you can purchase that will give you a morphed Vickie facial structure plus a texture. I like the products from A_ just my personal preference, check her out here in Rendo. Also, you can use Victoria's morphs yourself to make the face not look like the default. ::::: Opera ::::: P.S. My friends on this forum know this is quite an unusual post for me! It's okay, I have not lost my mind!