"id like to see a woman put on a t-shirt without a bra and not have her nipples visible. they are natural parts of womens bodies that can be highly visible depending on the type of clothing they wear. this has nothing to do with "striving to fit into this crazy ideology of "the perfect female form" - every woman has them. theres nothing disgusting, immoral, unsavory, etc about them, and if the clothing i create is the type that would typically show them, theyll be there" "i put them there for realism, and because - IMO - they look good." Blackhearted- Most women, wait...this might shock you, WEAR BRAS :) And even though the bra may not be on V3 in my renders, I still create the image as if the bra was there. That's realistic, believe it or not. Do you think, perhaps, that we women walk around without bras all the time? Most of the pinup "artwork" features women with very perky (and gravity-defying) breasts. Without some sort of support, those perfect breasts are impossible. Without bras, breasts sag and eventually stretch. Without bras, the Poser community's "perfect women" are physically impossible. Not that people really care. Look through the galleries right now, and then come back here and tell me that people do things realistically, or whether they simply do it "because it looks good" as you said. But, with bras, the nipples tend not to show...and if they do (which does occasionally happen), most women try to find a way to conceal it, becasue it is uncomfortable. Whiel there are exceptions, I believe this is true of most women. Apperently not V3 though, who is at the mercy of anyone with a computer. I pity her sometimes...